1x Lord w/VOD and ResOrb 200
1x Lord w/destroyer body, ResOrb, Solar Pulse 200
10x Warriors 180
10x Warriors 180
10x Immortals 280
5x Destroyers 250
5x Destroyers 250
5x Destroyers 250
1x Monolith 235
1x Monolith 235
1x Monolith 235
Total 2495
Only need a destroyer lord, ten immortals, two destroyers, and two monoliths to complete the list. I probably don't need the Res Orbs, especially not two of them, but I am afraid of losing the WBB in melee. I guess I could add a small unit of flayed ones or a three more immortals. But the limits of the force org chart is the suck here, I wish I could take scarabs.
Tuesday, August 10, 2010
Saturday, August 7, 2010
Tomb Spyder Combat Patrol List Battle Report
As I posted earlier, my Tomb Spyder combat patrol list is four Tomb Spyders and ten Warriors, 400 points dead on. And this is the reason my buddy doesn't want to face that list again. His list was a combat squad with plasma cannon, combat squad with plasma gun, and five Vanguard carrying a total of three power weapons in a Rhino. Until I re-read the We'll Be Back rule a couple of days ago, we where playing that AP3 and better ranged weapons negated a WBB roll, so the biggest reason for all plasma he usually fields. We played on a nearly four foot by four foot board (little smaller on one side). There was a lot of impassable terrain around the corners of the board and large ruin in the center. I went first and ran my spyders up around the ruin, any spawning a scarab swarm. The second turn run some more into position. On the third turn we had LOS finally and I assaulted his Rhino with Vanguard still inside. Two spyders and their attached scarabs made short work of the rhino, some thing like two glancing hits and three penetrating hits, and the Rhino explodes. He rolls big for the blast radius. This two combat squads are in a trench on the side of the Rhino opposite my spyders, but close enough to the Rhino that only one Marine is not hit by the explosion. At this point my buddy is worried as an epic fail in the dice could possible leave him with a single marine. The dice gods were fairly kind to him though, and he only lost on unit from each of his combat squads. His turn three he opens fire on the Spyders with the combat squads and assaults with the Vanguard. The Spyders got cover saves from the scarabs, reducing the plasma weapons usefulness. The Vanguard survive through his next assault phase. With the scarabs adopting the Spyder's T6 and taking up some of the few wounds he can score, all of his marines are wiped out by the end of my turn five. My warriors never had to move from behind the impassable terrain they were hiding behind. I must agree with him though, four monstrous creatures in a combat patrol game is ridiculous. Can the Tyranids even do that? And that mixed toughness, and unit cover save tactic is insane. I am so glad the Necrons are the only army that has a monstrous creature that can be in a unit, especially when the other model has three wounds, small target profile, and swarm special rule.
Friday, August 6, 2010
My 750 point list under construction.
Here are some photos of what I have done with my 750 point list so far. As you can see I am about half way done painting it. I prime all the models Chaos Black to start, then start building up in the metallics. On the Warriors I start with Shining Gold, go over that with Burnished Gold, and then dry brush with Mithril Silver. Then I paint the eye sockets, weapon ends and ribbed chambers with Goblin Green. Next I dot the eyes wtih Scorpion Green and dry brush over the Goblin Green on the weapon ends and ribbed chambers. I left the golds thin to allow the black to show through in an attempt to create an aged appearance. On the Deceiver I messed up on the eyes and will end up stripping the paint there and redoing it. The scarabs I used cheap toll painting metallics to test the paint as a cheap alternative and it was just that, cheap paint. But for the scarabs in my starter army it is fine.
WBB vs FNP
For the future 5th Edition Necron Codex, a lot of people are calling for Feel No Pain (FNP) instead of the current We'll Be Back (WBB) rule. If the Necrons were a close combat army, I would agree with this because a successful FNP roll will let that Necron still fight in the assault round it was wounded. But I believe WBB is better for the following reason (especially if you are not using a Resurrection Orb): With the proliferation of power and rending weapons in the 5th Edition Codexes, FNP and WBB are weaker special rules than they use to be. However, AP1 and AP2 ranged weapons stop a FNP roll, so weapons like most big blast templates, plasma, rending (on a roll of 6), melta, etc, make FNP useless. WBB on the other hand, is only canceled by instant death by ranged weapons. So for a ranged army like the Necrons are, WBB is a better and fluffier choice.
Wednesday, August 4, 2010
Current lists I am running.
My 750 point list, Deceiver, two squads of ten warriors of each, and five scarabs with disruptor fields. I have to fix the eyes on my Deceiver, ten warriors and three scarabs left to paint. Still need to base all of them.
I run two combat patrol armies: 1. eleven warriors and four destroys or 2. ten warriors and four tomb spyders. My buddy will not play against the tomb spyder list again. Tomb spyders are so awesome in combat patrol.
I run two combat patrol armies: 1. eleven warriors and four destroys or 2. ten warriors and four tomb spyders. My buddy will not play against the tomb spyder list again. Tomb spyders are so awesome in combat patrol.
Bringing Necrons into 5th Edition.
This is what I posted to answer a post on my favorite Warhammer 40K blog Fritz40K.
My thoughts on getting my 'Crons on par with the 5th 'dex boys:
We’ll Be Back – Love it, no need to change it.
Phase Out - Let it stay for standard games, but for some special games like combat patrol, lift it.
UnNerf Gauss - I want something more fluffy that just giving them rending, don't want to lose the fluff. Against non-vehicle targets, on a to wound roll of 6, automatic wound regardless of target's toughness and counts as an AP1 weapon. Against non-vehicles, an AP value of 1 is no better than an AP value of 2, because no armor save is better than 2+. Against vehicles on a roll of 6 to penetrate the vehicle's armor, automatic glancing hit unless it would be a penetrating hit, with the weapon counting as AP1 again. Against vehicles, an AP value of 1 has value, adding +1 to the vehicle damage result roll, allowing gauss to at least wreck on a glance, and making penetrating hits more lethal. This option would help get the 'Cron's anti-vehicle closer to 4th ed and help them deal with their lack of weapons options (i.e. no meltas, and krak type weapons). Another option is to just give gauss a +1 on the vehicle damage chart with glancing hits or just let the 'Crons have penetrating hits on a roll of 6.
The lack of power weapons - I think it would be easily addressed by modifying the disruptor field (DF)war gear. Make DF work in close combat again non-vehicles as well, counting as power weapons against non-vehicles. Of course whatever correction is made to gauss regarding glancing hits on vehicles would also have to be applied to DF as well.
Lack of mobility – To counter the increased mobility of the other 5th ‘dexes, the ‘Crons need more units that can DS or infiltrate in, and teleport. Also, ‘Crons need a DS scatter of only 1D6, their technology is too advanced to scatter 2D6, doesn’t meet their fluff. This I will talk about more in unit descriptions.
C’Tan – To make up for not have psykers and their new crazy 5th ed powers, the C’Tan need new, more powerful offensive attacks similar to the new powers the psykers are getting. Also, the new armor saves and invulnerability saves some of the characters are getting in 5th, the C’Tan need their invulnerability saves increased to at least 3+, they are gods for crying out loud! They also need more mobility, they need to be able to DS around the board as if they had VOD and should also have the Monolith’s ability to force models away to make room for them.
Lords – We don’t need cheaper lords, no bronze, silver, gold stuff, stupid bad idea; the current lord should come down in point cost a little. If you want a cheap HQ alternative, there should be an elite pariah HQ choice with a little better stats than the regular pariahs. What we need are special lords like the other armies have. Examples would be a wraith lord with the option to take wraiths as elite and fast attack choices, or a destroyer lord that does the same, or others that let you take flayed ones or immortals as troop choices. Then we need lords in between the current lord and C’Tan. The fluff talks about lords crafting bigger better bodies for themselves.
Immortals – This guys are great, other than lower point cost, maybe increase I from 2 to 3 and A from 1 to 2, but not really needed.
Flayed Ones – These guys need to be more like the Space Marine Vanguard. They need their A increased to 2 if they increase the max unit size to 15 or more, or to 3 if they don’t. And if DF ends up at ignoring armor saves, awesome close combat unit. Also, they should probable be a troop choice.
Warriors – Lower point cost, no other chance if the above gauss and DF changes are made.
Wraiths – These need to be the ‘Cron CC Termies. Need to increase max unit size to 5, and there attacks need to ignore armor saves (build in DF from above). They also need DS.
Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers – I think these two should be merged. Make their gauss cannon a dual pattern weapon, cyclic fire same stats as gauss cannon, focused fire same stats as heavy gauss cannon. And a question on their T: If they are immortals that have toughness 5, basically on a jet bike, why did their toughness not increase to 6 like the lord with a destroyer body does? They should be a T6. I would place point cost between the current destroyer and heavy destroyer. Unit size 1-4, fast attack or heavy support choice, that why you can still only field 24 total destroyers as you can now.
Scarab Swarms – Not sure why everyone wants a larger unit size on these guys, but I guess that would be fine. Lower points cost a point or two. With the DF mod above, they would be CC killers.
Tomb Spyder – Don’t think I would change this one. Maybe let it repair a Monolith, the Necron version of a tech marine or Mek, with bonuses to repair rolls for attached scarab swarms.
Monolith – Originally I was not going to change the Monolith, but after see the rules for the Space Marine Caestus Assault Ram, that costs the same 235 points, the Mono does need an upgrade. To bring the Mono in line with the new Ram, the Mono needs a 5+ invulnerable save, the ability to teleport about the board as with VOD, Particle Whip needs AP1, and the old rule of units disembarking from a Mono count as disembarking from a stationary vehicle so they can assault out of the portal again.
As for new units, I would like the ones mentioned in the Lord section, maybe a new C’Tan or two, and a new heavy support like a bigger tomb spyder. Maybe a ‘Cron drop pod, a stationary portal that DS’s in, no weapons needed, just increases mobility, make it a dedicated transport type option to not take up org slots.
My thoughts, and I love Necrons so I have thought about it a lot.
I did forget to add that the Flayed Ones should be able to assault after DS'ing like the Space Marine Vanguard.
My thoughts on getting my 'Crons on par with the 5th 'dex boys:
We’ll Be Back – Love it, no need to change it.
Phase Out - Let it stay for standard games, but for some special games like combat patrol, lift it.
UnNerf Gauss - I want something more fluffy that just giving them rending, don't want to lose the fluff. Against non-vehicle targets, on a to wound roll of 6, automatic wound regardless of target's toughness and counts as an AP1 weapon. Against non-vehicles, an AP value of 1 is no better than an AP value of 2, because no armor save is better than 2+. Against vehicles on a roll of 6 to penetrate the vehicle's armor, automatic glancing hit unless it would be a penetrating hit, with the weapon counting as AP1 again. Against vehicles, an AP value of 1 has value, adding +1 to the vehicle damage result roll, allowing gauss to at least wreck on a glance, and making penetrating hits more lethal. This option would help get the 'Cron's anti-vehicle closer to 4th ed and help them deal with their lack of weapons options (i.e. no meltas, and krak type weapons). Another option is to just give gauss a +1 on the vehicle damage chart with glancing hits or just let the 'Crons have penetrating hits on a roll of 6.
The lack of power weapons - I think it would be easily addressed by modifying the disruptor field (DF)war gear. Make DF work in close combat again non-vehicles as well, counting as power weapons against non-vehicles. Of course whatever correction is made to gauss regarding glancing hits on vehicles would also have to be applied to DF as well.
Lack of mobility – To counter the increased mobility of the other 5th ‘dexes, the ‘Crons need more units that can DS or infiltrate in, and teleport. Also, ‘Crons need a DS scatter of only 1D6, their technology is too advanced to scatter 2D6, doesn’t meet their fluff. This I will talk about more in unit descriptions.
C’Tan – To make up for not have psykers and their new crazy 5th ed powers, the C’Tan need new, more powerful offensive attacks similar to the new powers the psykers are getting. Also, the new armor saves and invulnerability saves some of the characters are getting in 5th, the C’Tan need their invulnerability saves increased to at least 3+, they are gods for crying out loud! They also need more mobility, they need to be able to DS around the board as if they had VOD and should also have the Monolith’s ability to force models away to make room for them.
Lords – We don’t need cheaper lords, no bronze, silver, gold stuff, stupid bad idea; the current lord should come down in point cost a little. If you want a cheap HQ alternative, there should be an elite pariah HQ choice with a little better stats than the regular pariahs. What we need are special lords like the other armies have. Examples would be a wraith lord with the option to take wraiths as elite and fast attack choices, or a destroyer lord that does the same, or others that let you take flayed ones or immortals as troop choices. Then we need lords in between the current lord and C’Tan. The fluff talks about lords crafting bigger better bodies for themselves.
Immortals – This guys are great, other than lower point cost, maybe increase I from 2 to 3 and A from 1 to 2, but not really needed.
Flayed Ones – These guys need to be more like the Space Marine Vanguard. They need their A increased to 2 if they increase the max unit size to 15 or more, or to 3 if they don’t. And if DF ends up at ignoring armor saves, awesome close combat unit. Also, they should probable be a troop choice.
Warriors – Lower point cost, no other chance if the above gauss and DF changes are made.
Wraiths – These need to be the ‘Cron CC Termies. Need to increase max unit size to 5, and there attacks need to ignore armor saves (build in DF from above). They also need DS.
Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers – I think these two should be merged. Make their gauss cannon a dual pattern weapon, cyclic fire same stats as gauss cannon, focused fire same stats as heavy gauss cannon. And a question on their T: If they are immortals that have toughness 5, basically on a jet bike, why did their toughness not increase to 6 like the lord with a destroyer body does? They should be a T6. I would place point cost between the current destroyer and heavy destroyer. Unit size 1-4, fast attack or heavy support choice, that why you can still only field 24 total destroyers as you can now.
Scarab Swarms – Not sure why everyone wants a larger unit size on these guys, but I guess that would be fine. Lower points cost a point or two. With the DF mod above, they would be CC killers.
Tomb Spyder – Don’t think I would change this one. Maybe let it repair a Monolith, the Necron version of a tech marine or Mek, with bonuses to repair rolls for attached scarab swarms.
Monolith – Originally I was not going to change the Monolith, but after see the rules for the Space Marine Caestus Assault Ram, that costs the same 235 points, the Mono does need an upgrade. To bring the Mono in line with the new Ram, the Mono needs a 5+ invulnerable save, the ability to teleport about the board as with VOD, Particle Whip needs AP1, and the old rule of units disembarking from a Mono count as disembarking from a stationary vehicle so they can assault out of the portal again.
As for new units, I would like the ones mentioned in the Lord section, maybe a new C’Tan or two, and a new heavy support like a bigger tomb spyder. Maybe a ‘Cron drop pod, a stationary portal that DS’s in, no weapons needed, just increases mobility, make it a dedicated transport type option to not take up org slots.
My thoughts, and I love Necrons so I have thought about it a lot.
I did forget to add that the Flayed Ones should be able to assault after DS'ing like the Space Marine Vanguard.
Thursday, July 8, 2010
Origins of the Legions Version 2.0
I have gone away from my original story of the Origins of the Legions of Nekheny on the simple fact it didn't fit with the fluff of the 40k universe. The humans barely have record of their history back to the founding of the Space Marine Legions, let alone the 30,000 years before that, so it pretty much impossible for my Necron to have found information back that far in the human records. To correct this issue, I have decided to steal a piece of story line from the Star Trek the Motion Picture, V'Ger actually. Who can say that the living machines that found V'Ger were not the Necrons. And so follows the new basis for the Legions of Nekheny.
I probe launched from Terra before the days of Warp travel, from when humans were still trying to reach outside of their home star system, has traveled the vastness of space for millennium. After a few centuries, the probe was to far from Terra for its broadcasts to reach home. But the probe continued on with its duties, fusion and solar powered, it would last many millennium before powering down. And so it traveled the heavens gathering the information it was programmed to gather and broadcast back to Terra, looking for inhabitable planets and other life, and it found both, but no one could hear it, and no one live on Terra would remember its existence. Inside the probe contained the history of man to the point of its launch, and DNA from every form of life the humans could gather from their world. The intent of the DNA being if the probe would crash onto a planet in its journey, it may start life or change life on the planet making colonization of the work easier for the humans if they ever happened upon it.
And the probe continued on through the ages, always broadcasting its reports. While passing through a new star system, an ancient star system with only dead worlds and star barely glowing, nearing complete burn out, something heard the probes broadcasts, something far more ancient than the probe its self. With the system's star nearly dead, and the planets nearly solid at there core, after millennium of tectonic violence nothing should be stirring in the darkness and depths of the worlds, but things did, not living, at least not any more. And so a Necron tomb world slowly started to awaken. The violence fits of the dying star system had left the greatness of the tomb worlds here shattered and lying in ruin. Their communications systems have been destroyed, a great amount of their stasis systems have failed, and the slow passing of time had claimed most of their race and constructs. But enough of the Necron systems remained to receive the broadcasts from the probe wandering through their dying system and started the great awakening. Constructs began to stream through the Necron ruins, repairing and bring online what they could. And the Necron High Lord of the system was awakened from his stasis. His stasis was not peaceful, but millions of years of nightmares. Dreams of his people's betrayal by their gods, and their curse to endless slavery.
The High Lord turned his attention to the construct passing his tomb, and he calculated in cold thoughts, "Had this construct not passed, if this infinitely small chance had not occurred, he and his people would have slowly turned to dust after their star had died." The High Lord was furious to be awoken, to be robbed of his one chance to die and end his slavery. And with a thought, the High Lord ordered the efforts of this awakening tomb world to ready what remained of his fleet to seize this construct that had ended his nightmares and made them his reality. The madness of millions of years of existence, of unrelenting nightmares, wore heavy of the High Lord. The High Lord himself went to take the construct, to bring his vengeance to bear upon the construct. And as the High Lord stood on the hull of his tomb ship, staring at the simple machine, limited in its ability to think, to comprehend, only able to react in simple ways, like a lowly creature, hardly better than a single cell life form, taking in its environment, and sending it out to somewhere, to something. This somewhere, something, created intrigue within the High Lord. And the High Lord looked deeper into construct and began to decipher the simple language with in it. And the origin of the construct revealed its self to the High Lord. The entire history of humanity and Terra up to the launch of the construct unfolded before the High Lord and he saw the face of the of the constructs creator.
The construct would not be the focus of his vengeance, the race that created the construct would be. In the human's history the High Lord saw the influence of the lair, the deceiver, the betrayer, the star god Mephet'ran, the spearhead of the enslavement of the High Lord's race, and taker of death and the hope of escape. And the High Lord studied the human history, and from the the period of Mephet'ran's greatest influence, the human's ancient Egyptians. The High Lord would model his legions in a dark image of death taken from the human's own past to take his vengeance on the humans for cheating him of his long desired death. It will be as if the skeletons of the Egyptians themselves would raise from the sands of the Terran desert to drag the humans to the darkness awaiting below the sands. Yes for cheating the High Lord from his desired death, the humans will suffer, they will dream of death as he has.
There is a darkness rising from beneath dead worlds circling a dying star. No longer will his legions gleam silver in the light, but walk as shadows of death and suffering, brandishing the golden dress of the ancient Egyptians gods. And the High Lord took for himself the name and image of the sun god, the falcon god, Nekheny. Now begins the rebuilding of the legions in a new image, and the raising of the tomb worlds and their great war machines. May the galaxy join the Necrons in their misery. Though Nekheny still has yet to learn that the galaxy is already a place of misery for all, ablaze in endless war, suffering, and death. Still has yet to learn two of the star gods are already awaken and his slavery may not be over yet.
I probe launched from Terra before the days of Warp travel, from when humans were still trying to reach outside of their home star system, has traveled the vastness of space for millennium. After a few centuries, the probe was to far from Terra for its broadcasts to reach home. But the probe continued on with its duties, fusion and solar powered, it would last many millennium before powering down. And so it traveled the heavens gathering the information it was programmed to gather and broadcast back to Terra, looking for inhabitable planets and other life, and it found both, but no one could hear it, and no one live on Terra would remember its existence. Inside the probe contained the history of man to the point of its launch, and DNA from every form of life the humans could gather from their world. The intent of the DNA being if the probe would crash onto a planet in its journey, it may start life or change life on the planet making colonization of the work easier for the humans if they ever happened upon it.
And the probe continued on through the ages, always broadcasting its reports. While passing through a new star system, an ancient star system with only dead worlds and star barely glowing, nearing complete burn out, something heard the probes broadcasts, something far more ancient than the probe its self. With the system's star nearly dead, and the planets nearly solid at there core, after millennium of tectonic violence nothing should be stirring in the darkness and depths of the worlds, but things did, not living, at least not any more. And so a Necron tomb world slowly started to awaken. The violence fits of the dying star system had left the greatness of the tomb worlds here shattered and lying in ruin. Their communications systems have been destroyed, a great amount of their stasis systems have failed, and the slow passing of time had claimed most of their race and constructs. But enough of the Necron systems remained to receive the broadcasts from the probe wandering through their dying system and started the great awakening. Constructs began to stream through the Necron ruins, repairing and bring online what they could. And the Necron High Lord of the system was awakened from his stasis. His stasis was not peaceful, but millions of years of nightmares. Dreams of his people's betrayal by their gods, and their curse to endless slavery.
The High Lord turned his attention to the construct passing his tomb, and he calculated in cold thoughts, "Had this construct not passed, if this infinitely small chance had not occurred, he and his people would have slowly turned to dust after their star had died." The High Lord was furious to be awoken, to be robbed of his one chance to die and end his slavery. And with a thought, the High Lord ordered the efforts of this awakening tomb world to ready what remained of his fleet to seize this construct that had ended his nightmares and made them his reality. The madness of millions of years of existence, of unrelenting nightmares, wore heavy of the High Lord. The High Lord himself went to take the construct, to bring his vengeance to bear upon the construct. And as the High Lord stood on the hull of his tomb ship, staring at the simple machine, limited in its ability to think, to comprehend, only able to react in simple ways, like a lowly creature, hardly better than a single cell life form, taking in its environment, and sending it out to somewhere, to something. This somewhere, something, created intrigue within the High Lord. And the High Lord looked deeper into construct and began to decipher the simple language with in it. And the origin of the construct revealed its self to the High Lord. The entire history of humanity and Terra up to the launch of the construct unfolded before the High Lord and he saw the face of the of the constructs creator.
The construct would not be the focus of his vengeance, the race that created the construct would be. In the human's history the High Lord saw the influence of the lair, the deceiver, the betrayer, the star god Mephet'ran, the spearhead of the enslavement of the High Lord's race, and taker of death and the hope of escape. And the High Lord studied the human history, and from the the period of Mephet'ran's greatest influence, the human's ancient Egyptians. The High Lord would model his legions in a dark image of death taken from the human's own past to take his vengeance on the humans for cheating him of his long desired death. It will be as if the skeletons of the Egyptians themselves would raise from the sands of the Terran desert to drag the humans to the darkness awaiting below the sands. Yes for cheating the High Lord from his desired death, the humans will suffer, they will dream of death as he has.
There is a darkness rising from beneath dead worlds circling a dying star. No longer will his legions gleam silver in the light, but walk as shadows of death and suffering, brandishing the golden dress of the ancient Egyptians gods. And the High Lord took for himself the name and image of the sun god, the falcon god, Nekheny. Now begins the rebuilding of the legions in a new image, and the raising of the tomb worlds and their great war machines. May the galaxy join the Necrons in their misery. Though Nekheny still has yet to learn that the galaxy is already a place of misery for all, ablaze in endless war, suffering, and death. Still has yet to learn two of the star gods are already awaken and his slavery may not be over yet.
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